In this episode of frankly…
What if the way we move through the world could be completely reimagined?
Rachel and Dan sit down with David Muyres, co-founder of Streetscope and the Mobility Futures Alliance, to explore his global career in transportation design and his strategic vision for the future of mobility.
David shares how cinematic storytelling, creative design thinking and long-term planning come together to reimagine how people and goods move. He also discusses the role of design in bridging public and private sectors, the influence of Hollywood in shaping future thinking and what the U.S. can learn from other countries to imagine a smarter, safer transportation system.
Also, their conversation dives into how Streetscope is addressing today’s traffic safety challenges, all while Mobility Futures Alliance works to inspire bold, sustainable mobility systems for decades to come.
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Transcript
Dan
Hello, welcome to frankly!
Rachel
Welcome.
Dan
So this week we have Dave Muyres, who is the co-founder and chief commercial officer of Streetscope, as well as co founder and executive director of the Mobility Futures Alliance, which is where a lot of our conversation centers today. So mobility Futures Alliance is an organization that’s looking at the biggest possible picture of the future of mobility. So as Dave put it kind of looking 25 plus years down the road to kind of create this vision.
Rachel
Yeah.
Dan
For how people, how things move around and kind of working to reposition the US as kind of a central zone of innovation for that type of new view of mobility.
Rachel
And not even just that, but in a cinematic masterpiece kind of way
Dan
Yeah.
Rachel
Like think about doing it with some really talented people in the cinema industry, right in production.
Dan
Straight out of Hollywood, yeah. Yeah.
Rachel
Mm-hmm. So a little bit of a different take on it, not just putting it in words or you know, even simple graphics, but really making it something that people can get behind and understand and get interested in.
Dan
Yeah, it’s, it’s fascinating to listen to. He talks about kind of the importance of storytelling tying it back into the original plan for the national highway system and how that was created through a through some similar type of future vision.
Rachel
Yeah, that was a cool story.
Dan
Yeah. So really cool stuff. And then in his role with street scope kind of talking about how safety rolls into you know, not just long term, but the more immediate kind of future of mobility and and how to really more effectively measure and gauge the safety of different mobility.
Rachel
Yeah. He’s got a lot to say, so we’ll turn it over to Dave and. Let him get into it.
Dan
Yeah. Hi, Dave. Welcome to frankly, thanks for coming on.
David
It’s nice to be here. Thank you.
Dan
Yeah. So we always, we always start with what seems like a simple question, but can can not be sometimes too but talk about tell us a little bit about your career path kind of. How your professional life has evolved and what brought you to your current roles with Streetscope and the Mobility Futures Alliance.
David
Oh, yes. Thanks. My background, I’m I guess air on the creative side. I started out in engineering, went to school called Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute of New York and quickly found out I wanted to design complete car experiences versus pieces and parts of car. So I transferred from RPI in in New York to Art Center College of Design in California. Got my degree in design focused on car design worked in Michigan for a company called Prince Corporation within the design department. Later on, they were acquired by Johnson Controls and Johnson Controls sent me to Germany. I spent five years leading all of design consumer research. That form of advanced product development in Europe for five years very much enjoyed it. They sent me to Japan for two years to lead all of product and business development in Tokyo, specifically Yokahama. Enjoyed that as well, came back to the US after, say, 20 years and the industry was going down back in the early 2000s and I didn’t want to spend all that time making my teams smaller. So I left and took a a job out at Art Center as the vice president of educational initiatives. Looking at essentially the future of what they should teach students and leverage creativity in in all new ways, engage with corporations. That was my role. And while I was there, I said, you know, you guys need to start thinking differently about how you teach car design and hard center like CCS, which is where I teach now in Detroit, they’re leaders in car design, but they’ve been doing that for a long time. What’s what’s the future of how people move around people and goods move around? And how could you leverage that same creative talent? That make cars sexy and exciting and to make the future of how you move around sexy and exciting. So that’s where that’s a big passion for me right now, that’s where it kind of happened. I was lucky enough to organize a TED Level event on future mobility for three years, 2007 –2009, and was able to invite people from. All aspects of what influence call time. It was easy to get car designers Henrik Fisker, Chris Bangle, a bunch of, you know, big shot car designers came but. I was more excited by the government officials, the the political officials, the high technology people, urban planning architects, always it from Schwarzenegger’s office, and Ed Markey, and and even RFK JR.came out and spoke. But we had we had the head of the CIA. How how many times did the head of CIA comes to a design school.
Rachel
Wow, good for you.
Dan
Yeah. That’s pretty rare.
David
Jim Rosie came out and he’s like you know, we want future criteria for cars to be safe and secure and get off oil and all these kind of things. And we should talk to a constituent group like you designers who are influencing cars to also think about all these other types of things, cyber security, etcetera. So that’s why he was interested. But I had a blast meeting all these, these these people to the point where I was asked to testify before Congress in 2008, when GM and Chrysler were filing for bankruptcy, I found myself this little designer speaking in front of Ed Markey’s subcommittee about that bailout and what they, you know what they should be asking for from Detroit in return for, I think it was $35 billion. What should I be asking for? And my suggestion was I’m not a finance guy but so short term do you got to do you should be asking them for a long-term strategy. Everybody in the room there needs to have a or would like the US car industry to last 50 to 80 years, not 5 to 8 months, right? That’s what you really want. And so that and that’s where I’m more comfortable. So ever since then, I’ve been highly motivated to try to figure out how to leverage design in the creative process to influence the future of transportation. Maybe help America become a leader again. I don’t know that we are currently seen by the world as the leader in transportation, and we probably arguably were been seeing that way. But right now we’re not so much. So I guess that’s a a short background story as to one of the things I’m very motivated to do and that explains my nonprofit I started up here called the Mobility Futures Alliance. Before I, before you ask me more questions of that, the last two other things that you might find interesting for my background, I also started a nonprofit called Operation Wheels of Freedom. I work with Dutch Mandel of Auto Week and Bob Lutz from GM and several other big car to create a USO like organization, just like the USO. We entertain the military, but we use cars. We would show up for military bases and say thank you for all your service. And then also teach safe and responsible driving because they the guys that get deployed when they come back, there’s a huge rise in motor vehicle accidents.
Dan
Really.
David
And we would show up and they would actually listen to us because we have new Mustangs and Vipers and pro drivers. We had kids from the Hunter family and others that were all that was, that was a blast we went to a whole array of marine bases.
Dan
How cool.
David
So I had fun doing that and I also have a day job which is also very important aspect of what I do working with the team I met out in California from Background with IdeaLab, the Jeff Propulsion Laboratory and north of Grumman that have developed the ability to measure and evaluate how safe anything moves. So it’s it’s like a a measurement tool for movement and we we have have a system that is available to infrastructure planning companies, vehicle development companies, insurance companies because they lose a ton of money on large fleets and they they looking for better ways to evaluate that company has unique measurement tool that will eventually become the FICO score of traffic safety for anybody who wants a a universal database to measure how safe they move against, to know that they’re progressing safely. That’s called Streetscope. We work with several companies here in Mitsubishi, FEV, several companies here in Detroit with that. Plus around the world we do a lot of other work. So I enjoy that, providing the kind of creative outlook to a bunch of PHD, smart PHD’s in the room that are also much smarter than me. But anyway, that’s another great project I’m involved with too.
Rachel
I mean, talk about being a busy guy. There’s so many things and they’re related, but it’s still all individual ventures. So it’s it’s very interesting. You know, I was thinking as you were talking and really from one of the first things you said about what do you teach in car design, right, like, what does that look like? Kind of like, you know, the new curriculum. How far out are you looking when you’re doing, you know whether it’s teaching or you know it’s looking at what you’re doing with the Mobility Futures Alliance. You know, car design and these car producers will have their plan right now for products in five years. I think we’ve seen this a lot with you know the jump to battery electric and ohh it’s everyone did it at the same time but the consumer adoption wasn’t there yet. So how far out are you looking and and kind of what criteria are you using when you look at designing cars in the future or transportation for that matter.
David
So that’s a good question because the the average consumer, you know figures, you know they’re working on next year’s car right now.
Dan
Yes.
David
Well, no. As you know, it’s, you know, two to four year cycle for for current production cars, a little bit longer if the new vehicle is not related to the old vehicle, it’s all new, it takes a little longer. And so it’s everywhere, two, four or five years for the next vehicle to come out that they’ll start working on and identifying consumer trends and all that kind of stuff. That’s if the vehicle itself is the only thing changing. If the vehicle and the infrastructure need to change, like partially with electric cars, you need all the charging stations and infrastructure, so that’s a little bit of a bigger deal. That doesn’t change just in a few years. If you’re designing broader mobility systems like in the mobility features alliance, it’s not just about a slightly better car or just a a new engine inside of a similar car. It’s complete new systems that people will use to move around, and they’ll need to feel good about it. It’s gotta work. It’s gotta be reasonably affordable. All these, all of those factors. Plus, if you know if if it’s a new light rail system or like EV tall, you know, the flying, the new flying vehicle stuff, that requires a lot more people to be involved to say yes to fund it anytime you need to go to, let’s say have new government regulations or new zoning. I don’t like to give the example of the high speed rail in California, because that’s an indefinite project. Nobody likes indefinite projects. I shouldn’t say it that way, but it feels that way. So to answer your question, two to five years for cars, but it’s longer when you have a much more complex new system coming into place. So with Mobility Futures Alliance, we were probably going to work. We’ll do some shorter term projects to prove ourselves, but most of the be probably 20 to 25 years out that we will kind of target new visions for how new mobility systems will be designed, implemented and then used by people.
Dan
Yeah, so, so looking 25 years out, that sounds that sounds overwhelming. Kind of how talk a little bit about how you how you work to gather opinions on that vision, what kind of input you’re you’re working with? Or, are there maybe some pillars that you’re kind of centering this vision around within Mobility Futures Alliance?
David
And so We don’t want to just do better technical transportation. We want to make sure that these solutions that we propose resonate with the business community. So there’s there’s some, maybe not at the day of deployment, but soon enough afterwards, it becomes good business. So that’s the solutio.There’s an economic model that, I mean, we’re not going to fund it all. So we got to work with companies that want to take this new system on and it becomes good business so forth. Also that there’s some you know net zero impact in terms of carbon emissions and so forth that, that, that that is achievable and that there’s some benefit to people, there’s some positive social impact. So we are looking for transportation solutions that do all of those, that takes a little bit longer to get those stakeholders aligned to to validate that the eventual emissions is within expectations. That there is a business model there that isn’t going all of a sudden change in the short term and in terms of how money exchange gets exchanged to move people. I’m likely also when we talk or when I talk when I’m talking, let’s say regular people out there that use cars, they think all transportation is about moving people. But I think 40% of all energy used in the world of transportation is to move our stuff.
Dan
Yeah.
David
And so ideally you’re to design systems that do both and so you need to take that type of type of stuff in account. So we try to work with all of those key stakeholders to enable because any one of those key stakeholders can ruin the new idea. You know, prevent any idea or like with the autonomous vehicle. I don’t know if I’m jumping off on too many different topics,
Dan
No, no, no, I like it.
David
But with autonomous vehicles, which will be both part of what I do with mobility features, also there’s a big safety question. So the team at Streetscope also is very interested in understanding the dynamics and deployment of future autonomous vehicles. But they are not fully vetted or understood yet, so they have their own adoption rates, the technology is there. I’ve been in a Waymo 20, 30 times fully comfortable and in whatever city they’re already out, and they’re coming out more out east. But the slow part of autonomous adoption is kind of government regulation and guideline, not necessarily technology. I’m fully confident the Waymo technology and others are just that’s a popular one, will drive safe and drive safer than unknown humans with mysterious capabilities. But it’s getting the regulation by city or by area to to be aligned and then be aligned from city to city and state to state and then nationally that’s that’s what takes a lot of time, not necessarily always the technology.
Dan
Yeah. And you mentioned infrastructure earlier also, I think there’s also maybe some question to that in terms of you know how infrastructure interacts with autonomous vehicles or connects with those types of things like is that part of what you’re looking at with with Mobility Futures Alliances kind of the V2X with everything?
David
Yeah. Yep. We will have several infrastructure. So our, unless you’re going to ask few questions later about, our our secret sauce or unique ability to influence the world is we are. Our core team is made-up of of designers and Hollywood level storytellers.
Dan
Yeah.
David
Because we want to create a desirable feature and then visualize it in a way that everybody can look at the same thing and get excited about it. And as you know with how change happens, if you can’t see it or you don’t understand it, or for sure if you fear it, you’ll never do it or you’ll you’ll delay it as long as possible until you have no other option, and then you’ll do it well. When it comes to improving transportation, most everybody would benefit from it changing faster than slower.
Dan
Yeah.
David
An example is high speed rail. There, you know, thousands and thousands of miles are already fully operational in China and and similar success in Japan and Europe. And we’re still working on, you know, a few miles.
Dan
Yeah.
David
That’s not gonna help us. It’s not going to get cheaper, etcetera, etcetera. So if we can create that visual excitement, so we’re going to specialize design and storytelling and we will partner with and I’m coming back to why you asked about infrastructure. Yeah, we will partner with experts and all these other aspects which are absolutely critical but we don’t have the ability to be deep and everything, so we will get experts from all these other areas that influence how you move around, what enables it, what’s required, how stay safe to be part of our extended team to help design both the device and vehicle or whatever and the world it goes around in so understanding infrastructure expectations both from building it and from governing it I guess .
Dan
MHM.
Dan
We’ll have all of that input into what we do.
Rachel
I think with the storytelling aspect too, that’s how you can get buy in, right. If everyone you, even if you could, if you sat here and told Dan and I what you pictured for the future of mobility, him and I would still picture that very differently. Right. Like there’s so many other factors that go into it. If you the visual storytelling aspect, it’s how you get by and and everybody kind of on that same path of like, no, this is it, there’s no you know you’re not putting any other opinion inside of that. This is what we’re talking about.
David
That actually I’m going to steal that or I’m going to have to reinforce how I talk because that is so true. Just specifically in my past in the design world, the designers ability to do a sketch stand, stand in the middle of the room and everybody’s looking like, oh, that’s that’s what you’re talking about. That’s extremely valuable.
Rachel
Yeah.
David
That’s extremely valuable, not just from it’s sounding good but, but you save a lot of time, it’s efficiency, it’s it’s getting everybody going the same direction. Absolutely true.
Rachel
Yeah. Talk a little bit about, you know, you’ve worked in Europe and Japan and you know, we’re talking about the comparisons between the US and some of those places, talk about how maybe what you’ve seen or experienced in those regions you know is affecting what you think the future might look like in transportation. You know what are maybe some of the common themes or things that you think we could use here versus not>
David
But so few observations without offending anybody with some kind of sterotypical general. But in Europe, for instance, the use of shared transportation is respected and used and normal, and it’s by every socioeconomic level everybody uses trains, subways. You know, any shared service is totally normal. Here in the US, way too many cities don’t even have the option. They probably have bus service but it’s it’s it’s not looked at very positively so it doesn’t move a lot of people.
Rachel
Yeah.
David
So that’s one big thing about living in Europe that they had all those options and and and you could get around with whatever you needed, it worked great. Also city to city. The city to city high speed rail ice system ICE system that they had for the German trains. The allies for the French, whatever. All the high speed trains, was all awesome for getting all across Europe, not just within the city, and also for me, living in Tokyo, Yokohama, Tokyo. That area. Awesome public transit. You can get around anywhere all the time. You did not need a car and often you did not want a car because it took longer and you paid money, right?
Rachel
Yeah.
David
They just you saw the benefits of having access to multiple forms of transportation. One without revealing, because I think it’s a great idea, but we have we have unofficial connections to what’s happening in the Olympics. We do have access to what’s happening and and that there’s a great group of people that are trying to figure out not just how to move people to 45 different venues in in the whatever days that the thing takes place and then followed by most people don’t think about it, but the Paralympics also, you know few weeks later.Rachel
MHM.
David
So it’s it’s a big complicated ordeal moving massive people probably 30% more than the Paris Olympics. So it’s a big undertaking and so they’re totally focused on it. The guy writing all of the transportation plans actually from Michigan.
Dan
Oh cool.
David
But they are hoping that the new systems or the systems that they’re put in place that everybody has to use in LA like everybody to go to a venue, you’ll have to use one of their systems. You cannot drive to the venues that that will actually they will run smoothly. They will be great, hands on examples of alternative forms of moving around LA and that then they’re going to continue afterwards. People are going to like them and say, hey, that’s not so bad. I actually that’s not we should get more of that. That’ll help them. That’s one city, but how they’re going to try to transform transportation in a way kind of indirectly, by letting people use it to, like, hey, let’s keep that and do more of that so.
Rachel
Yeah, I feel like especially the LA locals that sit in parking lot traffic on the highway all the time.
Dan
Yeah.
Rachel
If there’s a better solution, they would hopefully be open to that.
David
Yeah, just as a comparison, you have a very low bar of the beat because you sit on the 405.
Rachel
Yes.
Dan
Yeah. So so when we’ve talked in the past, you you mentioned Futurama as kind of a reference point or kind of a concept that that draws your interest talk talk a little bit about that and maybe that how that’s inspiring. Your vision for mobility futures alliance and kind of where that comparison lies.
David
Yeah. Yeah. So I assume since it’s. We have a large missing audience. A lot of people know about the original Futurama and and so some reference to the 1939 world’s fair, the giant pavilion feature pavilion, largely sponsored by General Motors and those other ones later on in the 60s and two so, but we referenced that the first one. That painted a picture of future transportation it it built a scale model with hundreds of thousands of little buildings and 10s of thousands of little cars, because that was the state-of-the-art. They didn’t have digital movies and stuff, so that was the state-of-the-art. And then there’s the museum. kind of ride that you went around and you could look down and just be exciting. It was the number one attraction at the World’s Fair and it was a really big deal. It influenced a lot of things. How that influences us is essentially there is a design that activity at the core of that GM funded it, but they they contracted with a design group called Normal Bugattis Design Group. They created that visual experience and and so forth. That whole thing ended up influencing the 1956 highway bill. So from our take away as to what we’re trying to do, you have a design learning initiative supported by corporate where a lot of the public went through got inspired. That influenced kind of public policy people. They wrote the the highway bill, which also had other benefits to the military and so forth. But that helped fund every highway we have in the US so this similar activity had a major influence on transportation in America. And it was great for many years of this economic benefits and job benefits and a lot of benefits to the country. But it was never really updated and so today. To solve our future transportation needs, we don’t need more cars and more highways and more lanes. Maybe we need highways that don’t fall apart every five years, but we we don’t just need more and just more cars. You know, there’s there’s a a density issues in many cities, definitely all across Asia and and China and Tokyo and stuff, they can’t just put in more roads and highways and things they they have to find other ways and they have. But that’s like in LA there’s just, you know, they’re they’ve already announced they’re gonna stop building more highways. So we are using the best principles from the Futurama on the mindset where we are now going to create similar a new vision of future transportation. We will use today’s state-of-the-art storytelling techniques to reach people, to involve all the others, and at the moment we are planning to debut something at at or around or near the LA 20 Olympics, so some of the world’s fair. We will use it in LA because all these international people are coming together, just like the World’s fair. LA is very interested in improving their transportation system. They would love to see that energy come to LA, participate in it being a solution and then continued on for many, many years. So that’s that’s the the connection to the original Futurama.
Dan
Yeah, and and all of that kind of coming together, what better place than the place that is offering these new transportation systems in and out of the venues so that you can kind of catch a glimpse, glimpse of it, understand the story and the you know, in an ideal state, use the real world application to get in and out of the venue.
David
The the, the, the other connection to LA, so the Olympic Committee folks, they want bulletproof perfect transportation tools to get all of the athletes, the officials, everybody to and from. They don’t want to take any risks and so we are going to probably not be a core.
Dan
Sure.
David
And so we are going to probably not be a core link from venue to venue because there is no risk taking and and I fully understand that. But there’s an energy in LA that wants to support people seeing this, getting excited about this and being part of the next 20 years. And when I joke that the last thing I did out there. We will, we will, we will envision the future of how you move around LA for when the LA when the Olympics come back to LA in 2070 or whatever.
Dan
There you go.
David
This is how it could look the next time all of you people come back versus this is how you get to the swimming venue or the football.
Dan
Yeah, that’s true.
Rachel
Yeah. Bigger picture, right? It’s not just what’s taking place there, but bigger picture more down the line.
David
One other connection to LA and I don’t want over connection to LA because I’m talking with people that New Lab and other there’s a bunch of Michigan we want to get involved in this and so.
Dan
Oh yeah, yeah.
David
But LA also has the you know reputation of being Hollywood and storytelling
Rachel
Yes.
David
TV and all that kind of stuff, so it makes a little bit sense when we tie their transportation history with this Hollywood type stuff. Like all the people on your podcast can’t see it, but the first, the first movie that we’ve created to help envision it, it involves the designer from Minority Report, and he’s helping us envision our future mobility devices for our movie. But he else he comes right out Hollywood and Tron and Batmobiles and this other kind of stuff so he’s gonna help us create these inspirational vehicles that are realistic. That could happen 20 years from now just to help us. Also, we have on our core leadership, founder team, a guy by the name of Llewellyn Wells. Llewellyn is the director and won five Emmys for The West Wing TV show, plus a dozen other movies and probably 25 other TV shows as well.
Rachel
Oh, how cool.
David
Plus a dozen other movies and probably 25 other TV shows as well. Well, that’s the one people know. But so he’s part of our core team. He’s helping us. He’s got infinite years of wisdom from Hollywood. Help him make sure that these stories that we tell are done, obviously at the highest level.
Dan
Yeah. Yeah, I think that’s. I mean, I think that’s so important. And us, as you know, communicators, that’s kind of our that’s kind of our realm, right is the storytelling, the messaging, making sure things are exciting but consistent, accurate, making sure you can be able to get people excited to bring them into this vision and to have them buy into it. I think that’s that’s such an important aspect of of, you know, realizing that vision down the line and getting buy in to really make some good progress in the coming call it decades, right.
David
Ohh yeah, no. Yeah. Reaching people, reaching people at all levels with that right story is some part.
Rachel
Talk a little bit about the connection maybe that Streetscope and Mobility Futures Alliance have right? So safety is obviously massive in all forms of transportation. Do you see kind of Streetscope playing into that? What’s maybe the connection that you see between both of these organizations that you know you founded?
David
So with Streetscope and the team I work with, which are all you know, PhD level smart guys from Jet Propulsion Laboratory doing evaluating the movement of space missions to to Mars, and they’re really complicated movement. We’re adapting that to be able to measure movement today. And with all the new technologies going coming onto the road, all the new AF Technologies, autonomous technologies, it’s all new.
Rachel
MHM.
David
And you can’t use the old ways to measure how safe they are. And so we kind of positioned ourselves as we have this new objective physics-based way of evaluating movement. So that all this new stuff that everybody wants to put on the road, both the traditional car companies and all these new players and the big trucking companies, enhanced trucking companies they need some common way to know how safe they’re moving. So that’s what we’re creating and it’s around safety and safety is a topic that’s going to exist forever. There’s never gonna be a period of time when. Oh, yeah, now it’s. OK, we’re going to right now, the vehicles don’t need to be safe anymore, but that will never happen.
Rachel
Ever.
David
So Street scope is delivering value now and for the next 5 to 10 years and it kind of grounds me in reminding me that as we create new things for the future, they also need to have business value, functional value and help people move safely. And and I guess Mobility Futures Alliance is kind of the next step to how to move people safely and economically and sustainably, etcetera, it’s a bit of a broader future look. Streetscope is more than near term future look safety is part of both of them definitely it’s the core to Streetscope.
Dan
So closing things, closing things out, we have one kind of last question, fun question, we like to ask everybody if you’re. If you look back at at your past, you know coming right out of right out of school, what is one kind of piece of advice that you’ve picked up along the way that you would give your your 21 year old self coming coming out fresh out of design school there?
David
But what motivates me personally, and I hope, motivates others, is. I’m a big uh people and experienced guy, and so I have always prioritized that what I do involves other good, fun people around me. And by making my work environment enjoyable and value the people that are part of it, everybody benefits. Not only the people but the company also benefits cause just better work happens. People stay longer, they enjoy it and the quality what they do so. I guess it’s it’s that’s my work philosophy, my, the, the environment of where I work philosophy. And then I’ve been lucky that I’ve been able to do that, not just in Michigan, which is my first nine years but then in these other countries and learn perspective. And I just I I love the how all of that has enriched my outlook and how I’m able to to influence so As a advice to a 21-year-old go take risks explore something that sounds good but you don’t have all the answers. When I went to school in New York, I’ve never been there, never met anybody from RPI. When I went to school in California, never met anybody from Art Center, never been to California. When I took the assignment in in Germany for the first time, first time out of the country, all that kind of stuff. So I didn’t know. But I had belief in myself and what I did know that I could make the next steps work and that just good things are going to happen. So go take a few chances and well in my case and I think for other people, good things will happen so.
Dan
Loves that, right? Awesome. Well, Dave, thank you so much for your time today and for and for coming on to the show and we’ll hope to catch you around Detroit sometime soon.
David
All right. Yeah, I’ll be there soon enough. Thanks for having me.
Rachel
Thanks again to Dave for joining us today, talking through not just his experience when he’s doing now, but. I mean, talk about a career that’s taken him truly all over the world. He has seen and experienced stuff, so he’s the perfect person to be doing something like this.
Dan
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, so I hope you enjoyed that as much as we did. We’ll link to the Mobility Futures Alliance as well as to Streetscope in the description here so you can kind of get a better idea and check things out in more detail, but exciting stuff to to come. I have a feeling we’ll be talking to Dave again for an update at some point.
Rachel
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Thanks for listening.
